Deception comes from the Father of deception......the Devil.

The discussion in John chapter 8 goes on and gets even better. Jesus tells them bluntly that they are not the children of Abraham. (vs39-41)

 "Ye do the deeds of your father" Christ is calling them out here and later says "Ye are of your father the devil" 
so this is some very harsh thing for these guys to swallow..... and they are not doing a very good job of it. every question they ask following this just makes it worse. Christ has the pharisees pinned with something that they didn't comprehend at that moment in time. Their works were deceitful.

The Pharisees,
-said one thing and their heart was not in it.
-acted one way so the people would believe their spirituality.
-had to keep an appearance as if they were the only ones that had connection with God.
-had deceived themselves and others to believe that God honored their physical lineage from Abraham.

"Abraham is our father"

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+8%3A31-59&version=KJV
Her is a Link to the passage of scripture that I'll be commonly referring to

I left off last time by mentioning that the pharisees were very quick to make known that truly they were descendants of Abraham (vs33) but in doing so had let their pride show on so many levels. This is not the first time that they had made a flawed argument. Earlier in the previous chapter (7: 52) "they answered and said unto him, art thou also of  Galilee? Search, and look: for out of Galilee ariseth no prophet"  they obviously had forgotten that Jonah was called from the city of Gath-hepher which is in the very middle of Galilee. (2 Kings 14:25)

When our Pride gets the best of us, these flaws start to come out in arguments and expose the other sections in our statements that we count on to defend us. So in chapter 8, their are 2 arguments that the pharisees make
1.Thou bearest record of thyself; thy record is not true.
2. We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man
the first argument shows us that they did not know who the Father or what Spiritual things Christ was saying. Christ explains in (vs14-18) His Father witnesses for Him, and the witness that He had been giving throughout history was one and the same. Kind of like a politician that claims look at my long list of voting history and you can see what I've done and if they are in agreement with each other the politicians words are true. This is what Christ was saying vs.13 for i know whence i came, and whither i go...

But having no spiritual perception they could not refer to the witness throughout the scriptures that bear witness.

The second defense that was used was the simply claiming of Abraham seed and also attempting to discredit Christs lineage by accusing him of being conceived by fornication. why is this? Because having a physical lineage was well respected custom of those in the spiritual movements of the time. The Pharisees believed that tracing your lineage back to Abraham and showing how that promised has been passed down to them because of the lineage meant that those Israelite's were more endowed because of it. It was a "status quo" that was looked at to be their ticket to just about anything.

As generations went on this issue of being traced back to Abraham became more and more of a way of recognizing people. and those that did not have it were not as well treated as those who could. This became a way to show that you were not kidding about being really who God had given the promise to. And the conventional wisdom could not disprove it because the promise was made to Abraham and the descendants of Him.

But is this the way that God works? Abraham and God were very close and not because of the same reason the Pharisees thought they were close to God.

We be Abraham's seed!!!!!!....... or were they?

“We be Abraham’s seed!!!!!!!”........ or were they?

The Religious movements of the time of Christ's ministry such as the Saducee and Pharisee groups seemed very strong and worshipful at the time. They had even gathered a strong respect from the public. Although  these Religious groups showed such strong attachment to the old testament scripture that the people believe their authority, Christ in many occasions showed how misguided and deceived they really were.

          One of the most recognized arguments in the New testament is the one in John 8:31-59

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+8%3A31-59&version=KJV

Please read this if you are not familiar with it.

 Where Jesus is preaching freedom, the Pharisees (as we can see in vs.13) take offense to this claim of Israel being in bondage…. And think they are so smart in their reply of “We be Abraham’s seed, and were never in bondage to any man : how sayest thou, ye shall be made free”

A Pharisaical mindset exposes its own downfall at this point. It claims to something that the one who they are arguing against can’t disprove by natural physical means. Yes they were from Abrahams seed. But Look at the flaw in this argument. If you look at the history of the Israelites they had been in bondage…. And were actually in bondage to Rome at the time of argument.

This shows us that the Pharisees had deceived themselves into believing that the claiming of Abrahams seed was a defense. I’ll comment more about this later